Ep. 78: How to Build Your PMU Dream One Step at a Time
"It's not always going to be like, you walk in...like "I'm the best." For the first one to two years, it was just a lot of pushing myself...and just believing in myself and finding that confidence...You don't take this lightly. It's people's faces."
In today's episode, we have dream team Lili Ma and Amanda Hua. Lili is an international icon. She teaches her coveted nano brow technique all over the world. Yeah. You heard me right. All over the world. She is booked and busy.
We also have Amanda Hua, her amazing partner in crime. In this episode, we talk about how you can build your PMU dream one step at a time. We talk about the struggles Lili faced as she started her career, the importance of having a solid team that you can trust, and more.
Here are the episode highlights:
‣‣ [17:27] Running your own business, you'll come across some hurdles. Lili talks to us about some of the hardest things she had to overcome as a child that set her on her PMU journey.
‣‣ [25:23] Lili shares the hardships she faced at the start of her career; dealing with non-believers and the struggle to build her PMU business from scratch.
‣‣ [30:16] We talk about our mutual experiences working with friends and people whose ideas and work ethics don't line up with yours. What do you do when that happens?
‣‣ [34:30] Amanda and Lili share what makes their dream PMU team work. They talk about the importance of caring about the business and setting boundaries.
‣‣ [43:58] Here I ask Lili to share some of the mindset changes she had to make, taking the leap from working for her parents, to MAC, to being her own boss.
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Lili Ma:
Before, when I first got started, I had to talk myself into it. Like, "You can do this. You can take over this client."
Sheila Bella:
Do you talk to yourself?
Lili Ma:
Well, yeah.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
[inaudible 00:00:10].
Lili Ma:
Even when you have that first client walk into your room and you're not fully confident with your own skill yet, you have to mentally talk to yourself and be like, "I can do this. I just have to show this client that I'm confident. I can do this. I can't let her see that I'm scared. I can't let her feel that I am not really prepared or really, basically not skilled yet," because it's still in the beginning of phases.
So, talking to yourself through this, because it's not always going to be like, you walk in there and like, "I'm the best." Not until you've done it for so many years, then you're like, "Okay, I get it. I'm good now." But the first one to two years, it was just a lot of pushing myself, yeah, and just believing in myself and finding that confidence in myself. You don't take this lightly. It's people's faces.
Sheila Bella:
Right. Today of Pretty Rich podcast, I have Permanent Beauty By Lili and her work wife, her awesome partner in all things, Amanda, to talk about how to build your PMU dream one step at a time. Here we go.
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Oh, it's so good to be back on this podcast mic, I had a really, really awesome holiday season. I'm sad it's over. Okay. So, today I posted something on the gram and I asked everybody, what is the most challenging thing you're dealing with in your beauty business right now? And I have a ton of responses from you guys. Let me read you a couple of them. The first one, "I feel super underestimated everywhere I go because of my age." Another one, "Figuring out what kind of person to hire, what tasks to delegate."
Yeah, that's really confusing, especially if you've never done it before. Here is another one. Okay. This one says, "I just moved to Austin. They want to book right now o'clock." I guess that's good that you're in demand. And then she also writes, "They complain about my price. They say I'm too pricey. They go, 'Whoa, you are pricey.' And they won't even give a deposit. They say, 'Why a deposit? That's cray, cray.'"
And here's another one. Last one that I'm going to read today. "Feeling lonely. Feel like nobody is interested to build a community. It's all about comparing and competing with each other." Oh, gosh. Yeah. My biggest pet peeve probably. And also why I created the Pretty Ambitious Summit because as you guys can hear in all of these responses, we're all going through the same thing. Every single response that I read off to you right now, we've all experienced. And I don't know any successful person who has not experienced it.
So, on today's podcast, I am going to address how to build your PMU dream one step at a time. If you're in the PMU community or a lash community, there are so many parallels, so many parallels. And I think that this very casual round table discussion that you're going to be listening to between me, Lili and Amanda is going to be very relatable.
And Lili is super successful. She has her permanent makeup training tour booked out all over the world. Yup. You heard it right, all over the world. She is international and she teaches her coveted nano brows technique everywhere. It's such a great gig for her. She's young, she's beautiful, she's smart, she's talented, and she's making a lot of money, and she gets to travel, and she gets to bless people's lives and careers doing something she loves. She is goals.
And not only that, she has an amazing partner in crime. She has an amazing work wife. I actually just hosted her nano brows class here at Sheila Bella. And seeing them work together is seamless. So, for those of you who are like, "How do you juggle having a friend who also works for you?" Her and I have that, and we're going to share a little bit of insight of how you guys can do the same, how to even find this mysterious unicorn person/assistant/teacher/ work wife.
And by the way, she is going to be speaking at the Pretty Ambitious Summit. Now, if you still don't have your tickets to the Pretty Ambitious Summit, what are you doing? What are you doing? Lili is going to be up on stage in front of 300 super positive beauty boss babes, sharing everything she knows about how she does it. How does she book out her training tour?
So, whether your training is in permanent makeup or a special lash technique, the marketing strategies are pretty much the same. And her and I have talked about this and she has the formula down. I mean, this girl gets to travel and she travels in style. And not only that, she gets to teach and share a skill that really helps people up their game in the permanent makeup industry.
If you can do nano brows the way Lili Ma can and Amanda can, you need to be living your best life. You know what I'm saying? And that's what the Pretty Ambitious Summit is all about. It's all about sharing knowledge. I feel like so many people on the internet, especially in our community are so stingy with their knowledge.
And even if you ask them a question in the DM like, "Hey, how did you do this video?" Or, "Oh my goodness. What pigment line did you use?" Or, "How did you find that person who did that awesome banner for you?" I mean, a lot of times you won't really get a thorough answer. You're lucky if you get a very short answer. And I have put together, at the Pretty Ambitious Summit, the most generous people I know in our industry.
It is the very first female-centered, live event for super positive PMU girl bosses who crave connection, business strategies, confidence building and for those of you who need to learn sales. Now, some of you may be like, "I can't afford it right now. I need more clients and then maybe I can afford something like that." This is one of those moments where you need to make a bold decision. You need to make a bold decision to figure it out because ready isn't a thing. If you wait until you're ready, and you have the clients, and you have the savings, and you have everything going on, then you don't really need to be there now do you?
The person that needs to be there the most is probably the one that can't afford it right now, because I promise you if you figure it out, make it happen. And by the way, it is probably the least expensive, the least expensive conference for permanent make up that I've ever seen. And ironically, it's the one that's probably going to make you the most money. It's probably the one that's going to give you all of the sales skills and strategies that you need in order to build the dream.
So, it's kind of a catch 22 that if you don't figure it out, it's going to take you so long, so much longer to figure it out versus if you just act on faith, know that this is what you need. All of the topics that are on prettyambitioussummit.com is everything that you know you could use, then get your butt over here. The lowest price point is 598. And I don't know if you guys have seen, but most conferences costs thousands of dollars. I wish this was around when I first started.
So, if this is pulling on your heartstrings, go to prettyambitioussummit.com or send me a DM on Instagram, and I'm going to have my team give you the VIP treatment. All of this is related. In this podcast, you're going to hear Lili and Amanda and I chat about how we built our permanent makeup businesses and our dreams one brick at a time. And I got to say, there's always a new devil at every level.
So, perhaps the problems in the beginning were getting the artistry down, getting the space, getting the clients, not knowing what to do. And then once you finally have the ball rolling and you garner some success, the problem could be hiring your first employee, could be time management, it could be how to become more visible and be seen as a leader in the industry.
And I remember when I first started, I always thought that finally getting to whatever number I had in my head. I think most people who are making under six figures have a six figure business goal in mind, right? And if you're already making six figures, maybe your goal is to make half a million. And if you're making that, maybe your goal is a million and so on and so forth. We attach ourselves to these numbers as if it was going to take all of our problems away.
And while I can honestly say that I would much rather deal with problems of successful people than unsuccessful people, I can also tell you that getting tricked into thinking that finally achieving that number will take away all your pain is complete do do. As a matter of fact, there is a level of discomfort and confusion when you're coming up. It's so weird and nobody ever really talks about this. You will have to risk releasing what you've always known, which might be a state of failure, right? And you don't even realize it that it's comfortable for you to receive a new level, to receive what you've always wanted.
Let me say that again. 100%, you're going to have to release what you've always known to receive, what you've always wanted. It is unavoidable. Everyone successful has sent that to me at one point or another. That's what it takes because the come up isn't all roses and rainbows all the time.
Yeah sure, my feet is nice. All the colors are curated and stuff, but if you read my captions, I'll tell you the truth. People love to talk about how good it feels to achieve your goals, but people hardly ever talk about the kind of weird and awkward crappy feeling that also comes along with it. You will change. It will feel good and sometimes it will also be awkward and confusing and sometimes you'll still ugly cry.
Why? Because some people just won't understand the new you, they won't. And these might be people that you really care about. Some people will resent you actually for growing without them, but they won't tell you that, they'll just act weird and you'll be hurt and confused, right? But typically, these same people are the type of people that are not brave enough to try and do big things.
And stepping into a new level also feels really awkward, right? Like you're a beginner again, especially for those of you who I've talked to, who had a great job as an accountant, as a real estate agent. And all of a sudden you quit your job because you find this thing called lashes or permanent makeup, and you want to do this more. But you were really good at your other job. And now you feel like a beginner.
Or maybe you're a seasoned artist and now you want to start training. You're going to feel like a beginner there too. Let's say you're a trainer and an artist and now you want to start podcasting or speaking on stages. Oh, that's going to also feel pretty awkward. Whenever you step into a new level, it feels awkward. That's just the bottom line. And if you have lofty goals on your vision board for 2020, know that that's kind of a part of it.
And by the way, I think it's really important when you write down your goals to also jot down what's at stake, what the risks are, and what to do when you're feeling unmotivated. For example, your goal is to get up at 5:00 AM every morning. Maybe that's one of them. What are you going to do when you don't feel like it? Maybe your goal is to practice at your kitchen table on latex every single day. What are you going to do when you don't feel like it? Are you going to call a friend? Are you going to reward yourself for getting up early five days a week by buying yourself a new pair of shoes or whatever?
There needs to be some sort of reward system. And adulting is all about really reparenting yourself. So, if you're stepping into a new level and something feels kind of embarrassing, or awkward, or scary to you right now, keep going, keep going. It means you're leveling up. You got to go into the storm.
Oh my gosh, what did I see on Instagram the other day? I learned something about bison, you know, the animal. How they are the only animals that don't run away from storms. They actually run into them. And the reason is actually very logical. Bison run into the storm. They run into the direction of the storm because they know that if they do that, it will pass faster versus other animals who run away from the storm it will last longer.
And it's the same thing with us. The only way out is through. And if you want to get through the baby stage faster, run into it. The more you run away, the longer it's going to last. The common denominator, and you're going to hear this from today's interview, the common denominator in all successful people is simply their willingness to get uncomfortable.
So, if you're feeling some major growing pains today and you're feeling alone, you got to find you some PMU boss babes and beauty boss babes to network with, to connect with, to link arms with at the Pretty Ambitious Summit. I believe in the power of live events so much. Have faith. Make it work. And I hope to see you there. And now today's episode with Amanda and Lili of Permanent Beauty By Lili.
You're listening to the Pretty Rich Podcast, where you are totally the heroine of your own story. I'm your host, Sheila Bella, and I built a seven figure PMU biz without a degree, without a fancy website, or a sugar daddy. And if you and I hang out here long enough, you're going to start to believe that you can do it too, because you really can. I know you think I don't know you, but I do. I really, really do because I am you. And I believe we're all on the same journey together.
My perfect job didn't exist, so I created it. The job I wanted wasn't hiring me, so I skipped the line and hired myself as CEO, just like you can. So, consider me your secret beauty biz BFF. In case you need to be reminded that power is never given to you, you just have to take it. Are you ready beauty boss? Let's jump in.
Okay. I want to know, name some of the hardest things that you had to overcome as a child.
Lili Ma:
As a child.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah. It could be bullying, I was definitely a victim of bullying. Teasing. Did you have a restrictive household? Did adults put you down? What kind of environment did Permanent Beauty By Lili now grew up in?
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
There's a kid in there.
Lili Ma:
Yeah. I think, for me, I grew up in a pretty good household. I'm an only child, so I got a lot of attention. Yeah. But I think that a lot of people think that only children like they wish they had siblings or whatnot and all that stuff, but I really enjoyed being alone. And I think that growing up as an only child, it made me grow up faster because I was able to connect with my parents so much because I was the only one.
But then, as I was growing up, I felt like my parents, because I was the only child, I needed a lot of attention, but they never gave that to me because they were always working. They were always working all the time.
Sheila Bella:
Wow. Look at you.
Lili Ma:
I know. I know and they never took any breaks, nothing. We never went on vacations. We never went anywhere. They worked seven days a week. Yeah. And I feel like that kind of shaped my personality where I need a lot of attention and where I think it rolls into why I need to be successful, why I need to be on social media, why do all these things, because I need that. I need that attention in a sense, maybe because I never got that when I was growing up.
Sheila Bella:
So, trying to fill a bucket with a hole on the bottom.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
I can relate.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah. It's not perfect.
Lili Ma:
Yeah. I grew up watching my parents work all the time. And so, that's all we really did was just work. And then it shaped my work ethic and everything like that too.
Sheila Bella:
There's good and bad. Yeah. Right?
Lili Ma:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). There's good. I grew up having everything. I had everything. My parents always gave me money. Money was never an issue, but time was-
Sheila Bella:
Quality.
Lili Ma:
... never there. Yeah, quality time was never there.
Sheila Bella:
Is that something you look for now, you think, in a partner?
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
Somebody who give you the opposite?
Lili Ma:
I think so. Yeah. My love language.
Sheila Bella:
Your love language is quality time?
Lili Ma:
Yeah. One of them is words of affirmation and quality time.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah?
Lili Ma:
Yeah. So they're both-
Sheila Bella:
Do you guys hear that? Dating [inaudible 00:19:56].
Lili Ma:
Yeah. And I think it's because I never got those two things from my parents.
Sheila Bella:
It's so interesting because we grew up very similarly. My parents were also always working.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
But my love language is acts of service.
Lili Ma:
Yeah. [crosstalk 00:20:13].
Sheila Bella:
Quality time, sure. Okay. Yeah. Of course, I like that too. Sure, I like gifts, sure. Or words of affirmation, but it's so funny how either you rebel from how you were raised or you're fully with it.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
When I was looking for a mate, so I found my husband and he was like the opposite of what my parents were. But here's the thing, how I was raised, I feel like was a lot stronger. And even though I say, "Yeah, I want a guy who says I love you and I want a guy who's emotionally available and will spend quality time, I think the demonstration of our parents is a lot stronger. We didn't take vacations. Did you guys not do that?
Lili Ma:
No, never.
Sheila Bella:
We didn't do that either.
Amanda Hua:
If like it's an Asian thing.
Lili Ma:
Maybe.
Sheila Bella:
Maybe it is an Asian thing.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Amanda Hua:
I think it's because our parents, like my parents too they're always working. I barely saw my dad. My mom would be working all the time too. I kind of almost raised myself.
Lili Ma:
Maybe it's an immigrant thing.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah.
Amanda Hua:
They immigrated here and they just try to work a lot to make money for your family.
Lili Ma:
Because you have something to prove.
Sheila Bella:
Prove.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
Definitely.
Sheila Bella:
And I think that's why we're just like, ooh, achievement, achievement, achievement.
Lili Ma:
Yeah, exactly.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah, definitely.
Sheila Bella:
But it never ends. We pass on that same attitudes to our kids.
Lili Ma:
That's so true we would.
Sheila Bella:
Oh my goodness.
Julie:
Her Richies, this is Julie, better known as Sheila's long time best friend. And I'm sure if you follow Sheila on Instagram, you've seen our show tune shenanigans on her Insta Stories. But seriously, I'm also one of the master trainers and elite artists at Sheila Bella PMU. But this segment is not about me, it's about you, the listener. It's my honor to introduce today's beauty boss spotlight. I don't know, next time it could be you. Let's hear what today's beauty boss has to say, take it away.
Annette Ortiz:
Hey guys, it's Annette Ortiz. I'm from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I'm the owner and artists of Brow Beauty. And my Instagram is @masterbrowbabe. So, I want to share three things that I wish I knew about the beauty industry that I know now but wish that someone would have told me when I first got started. So, number one would be that it's okay to do free and discounted work as a new artist.
I think this is really important to know because I had artists telling me that when they first started, they were charging their clients $500. And for me, that just wasn't realistic. So, I think it's also important to know that when you are doing this free and discounted work, that you got to be taking really great before and after photos so that you can display that work as a portfolio on Instagram, wherever that may be so people can see what you're doing.
And even if you're not in love with your work, you still have to put it out there. Everybody starts somewhere. So, number two would be that not all skin heals the same. Now, I didn't actually learn this in my certification. I learned this as I started getting live models and they were coming back for their six week touch-ups. And there's a rule that oily skin doesn't really hold ink very well and dry skin has butter retention.
And I started realizing that that's not the rule for everybody. So, you just got to really pay attention, take super good notes about all your clients, and remember what works best for their skin. Number three, and this is probably one of my favorite things about microblading is that during my consult, I slip in there and ask a question if clients have tattoos already.
And I was surprised to find out that probably half of my clients have never had a tattoo, but they're bold enough to come and get one on their face. To me, that was just so amazing and I was honored. I'm honored every time that I get to give someone their very first tattoo. So, I hope that all of my insight is able to help you guys and you learn a little something from it. And I wish you all the best of luck in your future career. Thank you.
Sheila Bella:
Hello friend, guess what? I want you on this show. I bet you weren't expecting that. Yes, I want you on this show, Introducing Beauty Boss Spotlight, because you are the hero of the Pretty Rich podcast. You are the hero of the Pretty Ambitious Summit. And I want to know where are you from? What's the most challenging thing you've overcome? What's your advice for how to live a pretty rich life?
If you're up for the challenge, and you really should be, go to sheilabella.com/beautybossspotlight. Follow the instructions, it's very simple. Don't overthink it. And remember, you can't beat fear, so do it scared. I want to feature you, I want to shout out your Instagram handle and get you some social media props, but more importantly, I want to get to know you for real. What are you all about? Again, that sheilabella.com/beautybossspotlight. Okay. Okay. Back to the show. What were the biggest career hurdles you had to jump to get here?
Lili Ma:
Yeah, hurdles.
Sheila Bella:
Were there people that didn't believe in you? Did you ever struggle to make ends meet or pay for things? Tell us about the lowest points in your career period.
Lili Ma:
Probably when I always worked for my parents all the time. I always worked for my parents because they always had restaurants. So, I've never actually had a real job-
Sheila Bella:
Aside from?
Lili Ma:
... working for my parents.
Sheila Bella:
Or yourself. Wow.
Lili Ma:
Yeah, exactly. So, I worked for my parents my whole life up until I was about 20. And then I was like, "You know what? I need to get a real job. I need to actually go through this thing called an interview and get a real job."
Sheila Bella:
How did that thought pop into your head?
Lili Ma:
Because I was just like, "I can't work for my parents my whole entire life." I just feel like I was always being told what to do all the time.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah, you would do doing the natural, I got to spread my wings and fly thing.
Lili Ma:
Yeah, exactly. So, I got the job at MAC and I went through their interview process, which is like 10 interviews to get one job pretty much. And I feel like that's where I never had a real job. I feel like that's when I was like, "Oh shit, this is what it's like to have a real job, to actually have to listen to a boss and ask for vacations and ask for a raise, ask for time off. That's so foreign to me when I first started a real job.
Sheila Bella:
At MAC.
Lili Ma:
Yeah at MAC.
Sheila Bella:
How long were you there?
Lili Ma:
Three years.
Sheila Bella:
Whoa. So you were asking for three years.
Lili Ma:
Yeah, three years. And then so I was just like, yeah. Asking all the time and I was just like, "You know what? I actually don't like this. I don't want a job." I don't want to ask for all these things. I thought that's what I wanted, but no. And then I started doing permanent makeup.
So when I first started, my parents didn't believe in it. They didn't know what it was three, four years ago when I first started. They were like, "What? I get it. You're going to do tattoo?" Because I had mine done. So, they knew what it was, but they didn't know how much money you could make and if it could actually be-
Sheila Bella:
[crosstalk 00:28:07].
Lili Ma:
... a career.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
Yeah. Four years ago.
Sheila Bella:
It wasn't a degree that you were going to get.
Lili Ma:
No.
Sheila Bella:
It wasn't a lawyer, a doctor.
Lili Ma:
Exactly. And they're just like, "Are you sure?" I guess makeup is somewhat more stable than what permanent makeup was back then. So, my parents were just like, "Oh yeah, sure. Do whatever you want. I guess you can try this out. It's not going to get you anywhere," kind of speech that they gave me.
Sheila Bella:
How did that make you feel? Were you upset?
Lili Ma:
A little bit, yeah. A little upset for sure. But I honestly didn't know where I would go either. And I just knew that I wanted to do it because I saw the girl that did my eyebrows make so much money. And it was just calculating how much she made per client. I was like, "I'm going to try it out despite what everyone else thinks."
Lili Ma:
And I think in the beginning when I first started, I asked around for friends and stuff to be a client. I'd tattoo their eyebrows for free or whatever, most likely for free and they wouldn't do it. Right? They were just like, "No."
Sheila Bella:
No.
Lili Ma:
No.
Sheila Bella:
You can do my makeup for Halloween, sure. You're going to tattoo my face? I don't think so.
Lili Ma:
I get it. I get it. I was new, but yeah, I think a lot of people didn't know where it would go.
Sheila Bella:
No.
Lili Ma:
But then there are some people that were really great, that were super supportive, always commenting on my posts and liking all my posts and all that stuff. And it's funny because when you first start something and it's new and everyone is wishy washy if they believe that you can do it or not?
Sheila Bella:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
And then you become where you are right now, as in where I am now, and the people that weren't your friends now want to be your friends. So then you can see who actually supported you and who was just along for the ride when you're actually there.
Sheila Bella:
Success reveals.
Lili Ma:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). It does.
Sheila Bella:
And so does tragedy, by the way.
Lili Ma:
Yeah, definitely.
Sheila Bella:
They all reveal. The opposite sides of the spectrum, they all reveal. I remember I had friends when I first started doing this, listen, to their defense, my training wasn't that great. So, I was learning how to do super straight lines on eyebrows.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah. [crosstalk 00:30:36] too.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
Actually, I wanted to make them straighter. That was the goal. Make them as straight as possible.
Lili Ma:
As straight as possible.
Sheila Bella:
I was working towards that goal so hard.
Amanda Hua:
That's what this teacher said.
Lili Ma:
That's so funny.
Sheila Bella:
I would look at her work and I'd be, "Damn, those lines are so freaking straight. How do I get mine to be that straight throughout the entire brow?" Yeah, so crazy.
Lili Ma:
That's so silly.
Sheila Bella:
But yeah, it's just so crazy because yeah, when I first started, there's people who were like, "Yeah, that's cute. Sure. Oh my God." And then as soon as you hit a place where you're pretty successful and legitimate and then you're on publications, you're on TV or whatever it is, yeah, now they want to work for you.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
You know that quote, hustle until your haters ask if you're hiring?
Lili Ma:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Sheila Bella:
I see it everywhere and that actually happened to me.
Lili Ma:
That actually happens.
Sheila Bella:
That actually happens. They ask you for jobs.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
It's insane. And I did hire one of them.
Amanda Hua:
Really?
Lili Ma:
Oh, my God.
Amanda Hua:
Does she still work for you?
Lili Ma:
Yeah, does she?
Sheila Bella:
No, she does not.
Lili Ma:
Didn't work out, aye?
Sheila Bella:
No. And I think that should have been my clue from the very beginning. Like, "Hold on, you didn't support me in the beginning." And it didn't work out because how can I expect for you to support me when I'm high when you didn't support me when I was low? And I just got caught up in thinking I could buy a relationship or buy love, buy companionship from another girl, which I craved so much. So, anyway, that's my drama.
Lili Ma:
Yeah. Yeah. Totally feel you.
Sheila Bella:
So, let's go onto the next question which is, working with your friends.
Lili Ma:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Sheila Bella:
All right. So, you and Amanda are obviously really close.
Lili Ma:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Sheila Bella:
I remember you guys on my stories yesterday, you guys had your hands in your pocket the same exact way.
Lili Ma:
No, yeah.
Amanda Hua:
Really?
Lili Ma:
Yeah, I saw that.
Sheila Bella:
Did you see that too?
Lili Ma:
I saw that, yeah.
Sheila Bella:
I was like, "Oh, damn. They're in sync, right?"
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
I think it's really beautiful when it does work out.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
I want to know though, don't sugar coat it because I have people here who work, it's for me, but I'll just say with me. I have people here who work with me who I've been friends with since I was 11 years old, like Julie.
Amanda Hua:
Julie, yeah.
Sheila Bella:
Or I've been friends with for like 12 years. And then some of them I just got really close to because I hired them. So, it's all jumbled, but I have to say that the lines here at Sheila Bella are very blurry. They're blurry. There's real feelings here. And there's real relationships here. Like Melody and Leslie are best friends, Julie and Leslie are best friends, Julie and I are best friends, Melody, Janette, and Mel and I are mom friends with Jen. So, it's just very blurry.
Amanda Hua:
Is that a good thing?
Sheila Bella:
I think so. And it might not be a popular answer, but I've also experienced it all when somebody I've hired that didn't work out and it's difficult to have a hard conversation with them. Like maybe they're too comfortable.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
But I just think at the end of the day, people reveal themselves.
Amanda Hua:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Lili Ma:
Yeah. Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
So, if it works, here's the thing, I think now that if it works, it's because it's a good fit, if it doesn't work it means it just was never a good fit.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
I think that people put a lot of rules down where they're like, "Okay, take this personality first and that personality," or, "Make sure you enforce these rules," which I think are helpful.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
They are, but I think to some degree, I just think it also boils down to character.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
And compatibility.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah and compatibility because I've had to have hard conversations with these girls and they've had to have them with me. So, how do you guys manage that? How do you manage that?
Lili Ma:
I don't know. I just feel like Amanda and I are just really compatible and there's no rules or anything that I have with Amanda. It seems like it's just like a friendship. It's not a working relationship. And yeah, the lines do get blurred along, but it works because she has a good work ethic and so, I don't have to tell her to do something. She knows how to do it on her own already and that's boils down to finding the right person. Right? So, get really lucky.
Sheila Bella:
Was it scary for you in the beginning?
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
Hiring out.
Lili Ma:
Yeah. Yeah. So, I hired someone else before Amanda and she was my apprentice before Amanda and she was with me for about one year. The first six months were really good and then the last six months it went downhill.
Sheila Bella:
Explain downhill.
Lili Ma:
I just feel like we just weren't compatible because my personality is that I can be quite cold and I don't show a lot of feelings. And sometimes-
Amanda Hua:
Like your parents, Lili.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Amanda Hua:
That's exactly it.
Lili Ma:
This is a Chinese thing, maybe. So, I can be quite blunt in the words I say and everything like that, even the jokes, my jokes can be quite mean. So, it takes a certain type of person to understand me. And I think that she just didn't understand me, even though she knew who I was, but we just couldn't click in that way because she took me too seriously and couldn't understand the fact that I was joking or not. And then held all those things that I said and blew up.
Sheila Bella:
That's hard.
Lili Ma:
And blew up.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah. Yeah.
Amanda Hua:
Both of your personalities are kind of more strong too, right? Like she, isn't she?
Lili Ma:
Yeah, both of our personalities. Yeah, exactly.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
Yeah. So, she's a very strong person as well, and she's older than me as well.
Amanda Hua:
Oh, it might have been more older.
Sheila Bella:
Oh, that was never going to work.
Lili Ma:
Yeah. It was never going to work. Yeah. She was at least four years older than me. So, yeah. So, that's why it didn't work, but I'm glad that I went through that. I'm glad that I did, because I now understand what personality types I do get along with and I don't get along with. So, without that experience, I wouldn't have really been able to understand who I don't get along with.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
There are these guidelines like, I know I said earlier they don't really matter. They matter a little bit, sure.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
Don't hire anyone who's exactly like you.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
You know, go ahead.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah. I think it helps that, sorry, that we didn't know each other before. We didn't know at all.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Amanda Hua:
So then we had that beginning of boundaries already. We were super comfortable with each other. We weren't even from the same city. So then we had to be very professional at first. And then as we worked so much together, we grew to be friends.
Lili Ma:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Amanda Hua:
I think it'd be harder if we were friends prior.
Lili Ma:
Yeah. Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
Really?
Lili Ma:
Yeah, that's why I'm like-
Sheila Bella:
Oh, because the boundary wasn't set.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Amanda Hua:
Because already when we first started-
Sheila Bella:
You're comfortable.
Amanda Hua:
... it was okay, no. This is my workplace, I'm going to be very professional. And then as we became friends and actually started hanging out more outside of work and traveling together so much and knowing everything about each other, it just happened that we-
Sheila Bella:
That's amazing.
Lili Ma:
Clicked.
Amanda Hua:
... clicked [crosstalk 00:38:20].
Sheila Bella:
Amazing. I mean, you guys stand the same.
Amanda Hua:
I know.
Lili Ma:
We stand the same, we sound the same where you're like-
Amanda Hua:
I know. We are forming the same person.
Lili Ma:
Are starting to look the same.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah. Like even sometimes get our voices mixed up sometimes. Sometimes we're teaching, I'll be telling a student something and then they're like, "Okay Lili." I'm like, "That was me. That wasn't Lili." I'm like, "I am right here, Lili is over there."
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah. I was like, that's happened a couple of times.
Sheila Bella:
It's really funny.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
You know what? That's true that it would be a good thing if you didn't know somebody at first so the boundaries are there.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
Like tread lighter. I've also heard and agree with, like it's harder to tighten the reins versus loosen. So, if you just keep them tight and then just loosen a little bit.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Amanda Hua:
That's exactly what happened.
Sheila Bella:
Oh okay.
Amanda Hua:
Professional. And then just slowly got loose and looser.
Sheila Bella:
But now it's hard to get back, right?
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
If you ever need to, which I don't think you would in this situation it's working so well.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
Well, I'm lucky that she's so hard working. She's like my twin in work ethic-wise too. And it's just like, where you go travel, because we're teaching for work and everything like that. And we travel. So she'll work extra days to make up for the time that we're away.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
She'll work on her days off because we're away.
Sheila Bella:
To make up for time.
Lili Ma:
But we're still teaching. We're still working, which I don't ask her to do that. And she just does it.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah, amazing. That's a really good sign. And Laura does that. Very conscious of the time that she is here. When she has to take off, she makes sure, even though I'm like, "Okay. Yeah, sure. Okay." She makes sure that she accounts for it. And it's nice.
Lili Ma:
Yeah, it is awesome.
Sheila Bella:
It's nice. It's considerate.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
And also, I think that relationship is really important. For example, Julie and I started out as best friends, right?
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
And you think that wouldn't work well, but if you both genuinely care about the project, the business, the goal, and about each other. So, when I see Julie, I see her like she cares about the summit, she cares about Sheila Bella.
Lili Ma:
That's awesome.
Sheila Bella:
You know what I mean?
Amanda Hua:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Sheila Bella:
And so, no, not me as a person, the company. But yeah, me as a person too. And so, that's why I think with Julie, difficult conversations are not hard to have because we both genuinely care about this thing. I'm not talking about us, I'm talking about the thing, the thing we're trying to build. The thing. So, I think when you frame it that way and you both, that's why you guys probably work really well together because you probably see it that way.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah, it's the thing.
Lili Ma:
Yeah, she does.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah, I think it's like-
Sheila Bella:
It's the permanent beauty triangle thing.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah. Yeah. So dedicated that we're going to get it tattooed on ourselves.
Lili Ma:
She's going to get a tattoo.
Sheila Bella:
She said she is.
Lili Ma:
She is-
Amanda Hua:
No, excuse me, were both going to get it.
Lili Ma:
Yeah, we're both going to get it.
Amanda Hua:
I was like maybe we'll on our two year anniversary.
Lili Ma:
Just to be sure.
Amanda Hua:
I guess like a triangle, not a name.
Lili Ma:
That is really, really awesome.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah, it's really cute.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
That's really awesome.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah, I treat it like it's like my business too in a way. Like I care about it.
Sheila Bella:
Yes.
Amanda Hua:
I don't think about, "Oh, it's hers. I'm just a worker. I can, whatever, just do it half ass." Even though it's Lili's business, I still care about it as if it were mine and I still want it to grow.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
Amazing.
Lili Ma:
And that's why it didn't work with the other girl too. It was just-
Sheila Bella:
She is too separate.
Lili Ma:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). I guess separate.
Amanda Hua:
I have to say for people who think like, "Oh," who have bad work ethic and they're working for somebody else and they think, "Oh, once I have my own then all of a sudden I'll have a great work ethic." Girl, no.
Sheila Bella:
No.
Amanda Hua:
No, you didn't have a good work ethic to begin with.
Lili Ma:
Yeah, it's true. It's not [crosstalk 00:42:24].
Amanda Hua:
You have to have a good work ethic in a regular nine to five job, an amazing work ethic to be successful as a business owner.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Amanda Hua:
You have to be doing extra in a regular job. You can't be like, "Oh well, I'll be really good when I have my own business." No, that's not going to, it's 10 times harder.
Sheila Bella:
No, I think it's so crazy when people say that. Hey Richies, hold your tits. Mm-hmm (affirmative). My new favorite way to stay in touch with you guys is finally here, texting. Yeah, let's be text buddies. I text my best friends all day long. Let's text each other. Stay in the know. I want to text you inspiration, updates on the Pretty Ambitious Summit, quotes that fill my soul, new podcasts and all of the things I use and believe in to up-level my own business and life experience.
I teach and share nothing that I haven't done or have used myself. So, text Sheila to 31996 and we'll be connected. And you know the coolest thing, you can actually text me back. That is so cool. So homey, I don't want you to be left out, stay in the know. Text Sheila to 31996 right now. And if you already did, high five sister friend. What were the biggest inner changes you had to make in order to succeed from the girl who was working for her parents and then to now? What was something that you were like, "Just fricking get over it, Lili?"
Lili Ma:
Inner changes.
Sheila Bella:
And then you just had to make it.
Lili Ma:
I think just being secure with myself, being confident with myself. Because inner changes and a fact that I'm tattooing people's faces. So many people don't get into permanent makeup because they're like, "I'm scared to mess up. I'm scared to mess up someone's face," and all that stuff. And they overthink it.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
So, I had to, even when I first started and taking the class, I had to tell myself, "You can do it. It's okay. You have makeup background. You can tattoo this person's face and you just got to believe in yourself," I think, was the main thing for me. Because I had a lot of doubts getting into permanent makeup and getting into this business too.
Sheila Bella:
It's scary.
Lili Ma:
Yeah, it's scary. It's very scary. And not knowing when your next client will be when you first get started, not knowing when you're going to be able to pay yourself. Yeah. Having to work extra hours because you need to pay yourself, you have to work your normal job that will give you your salary, but at the same time you want to work for yourself as well so you have to work extra to be able to work for yourself because essentially it will be a hobby. The permanent makeup thing will be hobby for the first year.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah. So many people struggle with that.
Lili Ma:
Yeah. It's a hobby for the first year. It's not really a career yet.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
Number one was just believing in myself and number two was pushing myself to be able to do this. And before, when I first got started, I had to talk myself into it. Like, "You can do this. You can take over this client."
Sheila Bella:
Do you talk to yourself?
Lili Ma:
Well, yeah.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah, me too.
Lili Ma:
Yeah. Even when you have that first client walk into your room and you're not fully confident with your own skill yet, you have to mentally talk to yourself and be like, "I can do this. I just have to show this client that I'm confident. I can do this. I can't let her see that I'm scared. I can't let her feel that I am not really prepared or really basically not skilled yet. Because it's still in the beginning phases."
Sheila Bella:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
So, talking to yourself through this because it's not always going to be like, you walk in there and like, "I'm the best." Not until you've done it for so many years then you're like, "Okay, I get it. I'm good now." But the first one to two years, it was just a lot of pushing myself, yeah, and just believing in myself and finding that confidence in myself. Because yeah, you don't take this lightly. It's people's faces.
Amanda Hua:
Right.
Sheila Bella:
I remember that too. My first client I'm like just talking to myself in the bathroom.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
For sure. Oh my gosh. I mean, it must make people feel so much better that Lili Ma had those same exact fears that they're probably going through now. There's a lot of people who are listening who are new in the game, a year or two. And yeah, we just want to tell you that it's normal.
Lili Ma:
It's normal.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah, it's normal.
Lili Ma:
Yeah, it's normal.
Amanda Hua:
It's for everyone.
Sheila Bella:
It gets better.
Lili Ma:
Yeah. And it's like a service business. Right? So, sometimes you'll get really amazing clients are just so nice, you bond well with them. They're not too picky and everything like that. And then some people will try to come in here and walk all over you. Yeah. They'll try to-
Sheila Bella:
That's true.
Lili Ma:
... walk all over you and they'll try to make it as though they do permanent makeup too and they know what's best. And then they just bully you for three hours. Yeah, it's learning to-
Sheila Bella:
It's the worst.
Lili Ma:
.... be confident in yourself. It is the worst.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah. I remember before in the beginning, I didn't know I could say no.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah.
Amanda Hua:
Because you're kind, "I need this client. I need the money."
Lili Ma:
I need to survive.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
My big break. I thought every client was my big break.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah, you're like, "Oh my God. Another one next week."
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
I have some pretty awful horror stories about how I let people, clients, bully me in the beginning and my poor mom. We both ended up in tears this one time.
Lili Ma:
Really?
Sheila Bella:
Yeah. It's on episode four or five, I don't know. Yeah. But yeah, this one girl I'll go into it, fine. She was in a wheelchair. She had MS. And I was really afraid of discriminating. I got somebody who was handicapped or challenged. Now I know, she just had that type of personality where nothing would make her happy. She was just upset with the world in general. And I was shaking as she was yelling at me tattooing her.
Lili Ma:
Why?
Amanda Hua:
What was she yelling about?
Sheila Bella:
She was telling me, "Get that smile off your face. Get that fake smile off your face."
Amanda Hua:
What?
Sheila Bella:
Because she came in. At first, it was fine. Now, granted this was her touch up, but I remember I sat down, because you know how it's just good etiquette to always talk to somebody on the same level? If I'm standing...
Amanda Hua:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
If the client is standing, I should be standing. If the client is sitting, I should be sitting. But she was obviously in a wheelchair, so she was sitting. So, I sat down too. And I said, I put my hand on her hand and I said, "Hey, good to see you. So, we're going to take care of this for you today." And she thought it was so condescending.
Amanda Hua:
Really?
Sheila Bella:
She was like, don't talk to me like a handicap little girl. And it was just out of nowhere. And from that point on, I was so afraid, being so new.
Lili Ma:
Oh my God.
Sheila Bella:
It traumatized me for-
Lili Ma:
How new were you as an artist?
Sheila Bella:
Oh, like four months.
Lili Ma:
What?
Amanda Hua:
Oh my God.
Lili Ma:
Oh, wow. That is so traumatizing.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
Like four months and she may have been like, I don't know. Definitely under a hundred clients.
Lili Ma:
Wow.
Sheila Bella:
Now, here's the thing too. We're going a little bit off topic, but this is valuable. So, she was a client and another facility paid for her procedure because she complained there, like a laser place paid for her procedure because she complained there saying that their laser treatment took away her lip tattoo. So, to avoid trouble, they offered to pay for her lip tattoo.
Amanda Hua:
Oh, so you were doing her lips.
Sheila Bella:
So I did her, yeah. So I did her lips. So she came in and it was paid from another laser place, which should have been my first freaking clue this lady is a complainer. And if she's going to do it to that laser place, she'll do it to me. And she did.
Lili Ma:
So, what did you do?
Sheila Bella:
After all that, after me taking it, taking whatever, bending over backwards, just grovelling on the floor because I was so afraid, oh my God. We ended up paying for her procedure elsewhere.
Amanda Hua:
What?
Lili Ma:
What? She just wasn't happy with her lips?
Sheila Bella:
She wasn't happy in general. She wasn't happy with it, but it was-
Lili Ma:
Wow.
Sheila Bella:
It was a very light color. So, anyway.
Amanda Hua:
Do you know what happened in the end/
Sheila Bella:
In the end she just wanted cash. She just wanted cash saying that she's going to use that money "to pay for something else". So she looked up an expensive place and said, "Just give me cash." Where that other laser place paid us directly.
Amanda Hua:
Oh, okay.
Lili Ma:
Yeah. Holy.
Sheila Bella:
I guess it's like her thing. It's her life.
Amanda Hua:
She just like to take advantage of people.
Sheila Bella:
Yes. I mean, at the end of the day, you got to feel sorry for those people, because the amount of effort it takes to make somebody feel bad and go from place to place conning them.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
I can't imagine how lonely and sad it must be on the inside.
Lili Ma:
Definitely. That's crazy. But wow, you still made it through.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
Yeah. I don't know. That's tough.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah, and that wasn't the only thing, especially in the beginning when you don't know any better. And that's why I love this fricking summit because had this summit been around back then, somebody would have told me, "Stop it."
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
You know what I mean? So, I didn't have tribe back then. It's very lonely in the beginning.
Lili Ma:
It was very lonely. Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
Like jeez. Okay. Last question before we close. Wow, that was awesome. What are you hoping people leave feeling or knowing after your talk at Pretty Ambitious Summit or what are they going to know or have confidence in?
Lili Ma:
I hope that, for my topics would be more so about training and everything like that. I hope that people feel inspired to push themselves to do something that they never thought they could do or to even think about other ways that you can take permanent makeup. It's not just a service. It can be permanent makeup as a service, it can be a product, it can be training, it can be so many avenues and now you have the marketing side. So, I think that opening up their eyes so that they know that it's not just one thing.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah, think bigger.
Lili Ma:
Yeah, think bigger. And the crazy part to me is when I do have girls come in for my training, some of the girls that I train are 18.
Sheila Bella:
They're so young.
Lili Ma:
18, which is legal age in Canada. And for them to know that this is actually a career, that's pretty cool.
Sheila Bella:
That is really cool.
Lili Ma:
Yeah. They know that after high school they can jump into permanent makeup.
Sheila Bella:
Hilarious and also really awesome.
Lili Ma:
Yeah.
Sheila Bella:
Oh my gosh. If somebody would have told me at 18 or like, you know what I mean?
Amanda Hua:
Yeah, that you could be your own boss.
Sheila Bella:
And pretty immediately.
Amanda Hua:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah. Yeah.
Amanda Hua:
There's nothing else really out there that's artistic and beauty like that related for work-wise other than a makeup artist, but not like-
Sheila Bella:
Right. That you can graduate in pretty quickly and...
Amanda Hua:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
Yeah and start your life. That's why I feel like a lot of people now have the option, and it's okay now to have the option that you don't have to go to post-secondary, you don't have to have a degree in this and that, you can make it still, you can still be successful without a degree.
You can still make a good living without these things. You can still be an artist and make good money because that wasn't a thing before. If you Googled how much money makeup artists make, it's very little. It's like $40,000 a year.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
But now, it's way more. There's just so many options.
Sheila Bella:
The sky is the limit. Now is the time.
Lili Ma:
Yeah. And so, I hope that when people come to the summit, the Pretty Ambitious Summit, that they learn that it's not a one avenue type of work. This career can be so much more.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah.
Lili Ma:
So much more. And it's so empowering to be able to change other girls' lives by teaching them your method or by inspiring them too, even if they don't take your class, they see that you are doing this, this and this. And they see it on Instagram. They see that you're working hard and everything. And you inspire other people to take the leap, whether it be in permanent makeup lashes or any other beauty industry, they now know that they can do it on their own. Yeah. And not have to depend on men or anyone else.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah, that's right. Okay. So, for people who want to work with, want to take your class, want to follow you on Instagram or web, how can we work with you and how can we find you?
Lili Ma:
Yeah. So, Instagram, of course, I'm Permanent Beauty By Lili. And then my website is permanentbeautybylily.com. So, you can find me in those two places, usually Facebook as well, but Instagram, for sure.
Sheila Bella:
For sure. Hello, we're millennials. I'm going to put that in the show notes you guys, just so you guys can check it out, make sure it's spelled correctly. It's Lili. Will you be teaching another class in L.A?
Lili Ma:
Yes.
Amanda Hua:
Hope so.
Lili Ma:
Yeah, we want to be back.
Sheila Bella:
Yeah. We have so many inquiries. All right, bye you guys.
Lili Ma:
Bye.
Amanda Hua:
Bye.
Sheila Bella:
That's it for today's episode of Pretty Rich Podcast. If there was anything in this episode that has impacted you in any small or big way, I want to know. You can reach me @realsheilabella on Instagram. And by the way, if we are not text buddies yet, that needs to change. You can text my name, Sheila to 231996 and we'll be connected. I really love hanging with you guys on here. And one last thing before we wrap it up, I got to include my kids, right? Hashtag mom first. So, here our Beau and Grey to close things out.
Beau:
Hi, my name is Beau. I am five years old.
Sheila Bella:
Can you tell everybody what our family motto is?
Beau:
I can do hard things.
Sheila Bella:
I can do hard things. Now, fill in the blanks. Hard is?
Beau:
Fun.
Sheila Bella:
Easy is?
Beau:
Boring.
Sheila Bella:
Good job, buddy. I love you so much.
Beau:
I love you. You're the best mommy. Infinity.
Sheila Bella:
Gray say share with your friends.
Grey:
Share with your friends.
Sheila Bella:
Please review my mommy on iTunes.
Grey:
Please review mommy iTunes.
Sheila Bella:
Thanks for listening.
Grey:
Thanks for listening.
